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This Is Never A Good Argument To Start

The other day, I overheard part of a conversation about God.  One person argued that what must be proved with concrete evidence are the things that are said to have been accomplished by man alone.  If you are to say we evolved into humans, you must prove it.  You must provide evidence on how the world was created.  While we are working to prove all these things to be scientifically sound, the religious man can simply say that God created the world and created man and woman in his image and no proof is needed other than the written and spoken words of other men who claim to have talked to God or walked with Jesus.  You can say “God did X,” or “God created Y” and it is so.

I don’t fault too many people solely on their belief systems, except maybe for Scientologists, and I wouldn’t grab a Christian and tell them that Jesus is a lie.  I do, however, find fault in anyone who is arrogant enough to claim that they don’t need to prove anything to show that God is our creator and controls our environment, but I DO have to prove that I am in control of my free will and destiny, that I must give reason for why flowers bloom and rain falls.

The convenient thing about religion is that it’s based off of beliefs and the unverifiable words of devout followers.  I Googled “proof of God” and “proof of evolution” to see what popped up.  The first result in God’s corner was this site which I quickly got annoyed with because it requires me to pick from a series of answers but also demands that I choose the one it believes is right in order to progress through the site.  This site from Godless Geeks isn’t exactly a religious site but did list many arguments I’ve heard from religious people (along with some downright hilarious ones), and this site takes the same idea and presents it in a friendlier way for you easily offended folk.  One site debunked a myth that Einstein proved the existence of God.  This site gives five reasons and concludes that they are reason that God exists.  Nothing on the first page of Google results was scientifically or logically sound; had you replaced God with Santa Claus, no one would buy it for a second.  For evolution, I get site after site of concrete evidence that can easily be proved and backed up indisputably.

Religion is based in faith and is a very personal thing.  Your beliefs should be ones that you’ve come to on your own during your journey through life.  I was raised Catholic and was told what to believe in while attending church, youth group, bible study, and at a very young age when my mother was into going to church.  It was never personal for me; I was told what to have faith in and why and was told what controls God has over my life and what He can do for me if I only ask.  When life brought negativity, I was told it was part of God’s plan, that He was testing me or trying to strengthen me.  When I accomplished something, God got the credit.  He could do no wrong.  It wasn’t until later that I realized how silly that was.  When I did good or received something positive, I must thank God, but when something bad or tragic happens, I should thank him twice as hard for the lesson it taught me?

I read through a few views on this site from a Christian, an Atheist, and a Muslim on why God would give diseases and physical hardships to people.  The Muslim argued that God gives life and can take it away, the Atheist argued that no compassionate God would do such a thing, and the Christian stated “the answer must indeed be that a good God is the kind of God that would give people these diseases, and that since He is the measure of goodness, it would be silly not to worship Him.”  What goodness there is in giving AIDS to babies and deformities to newborns is beyond my understanding, but apparently as Jim Carrey says in Bruce Almighty, “God is just a mean kid with a magnifying glass. And I’m the ant. He could fix my life in five minutes if He wanted to, but he’d rather tear of my feelers and watch me squirm.”

Focusing back on my reason for starting this little rant, the person claiming not to need to prove God’s existence and insisting non-believers hold the burden of proof of their disbelief is 100% in the wrong.  It’s silly to state that you can simply proclaim that God did something and have that be the basis of your argument.  It’s arrogant to demand that others hold the burden of proof while you’re allowed to say “God did it!” and have that be it.  It annoys me to no end because I don’t approach people and tell them “you’re wrong, there is no God” when they mention church or prayer.  If they choose to read this, they are voluntarily subjecting themselves to my logic or fallacy and can flip the computer monitor off whenever they so choose.

I try to stay out of religious arguments whenever possible because it doesn’t matter to me or affect me whatsoever if people around me want to worship whatever God they believe in.  For all my faults, I at least have enough respect for others to leave them be.  I don’t question them or ask them to prove anything to me; it’s satisfying to know that if a debate ensued, I have enough ammo in my pocket to back up my statements in a concrete fashion as opposed to the “I think it, therefore it’s true” logic.

I had someone contact me through WordPress and try in a roundabout way to change my views and beliefs on a subject closely tied to religion.  They were quite respectful, so I didn’t mind the conversation, but I do think it’s interesting how people look at me as if I’m broken simply because I don’t buy into Catholicism or the idea that the bible is in fact the word of a God that no one can prove exists.  I don’t need fixing and neither does anyone else who is lacking in the faith in God department.  If my lack of belief buys me a ticket straight to Hell, so be it; it’s no one’s problem but my own and whoever I end up rooming next to down in the fiery pit.

I’m no less human than the most devout and dedicated person on this planet and I deserve the same respect and privacy as anyone else.  I should be able to tell someone who asks that I don’t attend church and not be attacked for it.  I shouldn’t be told I can’t celebrate Christmas because I don’t celebrate the true meaning.  I should have the right to exercise my freedom of religion or lack thereof without people taking it upon themselves to insert their opinions and beliefs into my life to try to prove me wrong or save my soul.  And just in case, if I happen to be wrong and there is a God up in heaven, you have my full permission to laugh at my expense from your fluffy cloud in the sky when we’ve all passed on.

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About Jamie C. Baker

“Long time no see. I only pray the caliber of your questions has improved.” - Kevin Smith

Posted on January 17, 2012, in Crazy People, Fear, Life, Love and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 4 Comments.

  1. So, being a true Patriot and believing in the Constitution, let me just lead off with…to each his own. I have no problem with anyone worshiping anything from said “God” to an apple with Sharpie marker dots for eyes…as long as it doesn’t interfere with my Freedom, we’re all good.

    Now, with that out of the way…I know a bit about the bible, having grown up in a non-practicing Catholic household and surrounded by other parents forcing my little playmates to Sunday school, so it’s hard not to learn something osmotically.

    Despite the rudiments, I wanted a summary background on the Bible without reading the whole damn thing, (economic books are a WAY more useful activity for my time) so I read a book called, ‘God Hates You, Hate Him Back: Making Sense of the Bible’ – you can Amazon of Google that if you’re interested.

    The author is WAY too Left for me personally, making many anti-conservative comments due to his acceptance of the classic misconception that all people who believe Big Government should go to Hell must also be bible thumping rednecks. Despite this incongruence in our world view, his book is still very interesting and was worth reading.

    The part that struck me as an “ah-ha” moment was when he quoted Deuteronomy 13:7, which was written by some old power-grabber long ago to read:

    “If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.”

    Of course there is a lot of encouraged and condoned slaughtering in the bible which I have a real problem with. I did ask a friend of mine who does believe in God, what his opinion was on this particular passage and his response was…

    “Oh, that must be from the Old Testament, we don’t follow that one, we go by the New Testament.”

    Oh. I see now. You just pick and choose the parts you want to believe. Genesis from the Old Testament = GOOD but Deuteronomy 13:7 from the Old Testament = BAD. I had no idea that God was okay with his followers picking through his life’s work like it was a slightly wilted salad.

    When I pressed my friend on this ridiculous and GLARING contradiction, he simply blew it off and said that was just what he believed and that was that. When I researched a little more I found out that this is a very common position for people of this religion, so much so they are called, “Cafeteria Christians” where they simply choose the parts they like from the Bible Buffet.

    I have to say, these experiences are really what put the final, cold, hard, steel nail in the Bible coffin for me.

    According to this widely-followed book, my only choices seem to be; kill all my family and friends, burn in hell, or tell God he was full of shit when he wrote 13:7 and I’m just gonna ignore that bit.

    For more ‘Final Destination 5’ style killing-in-the-name-of, here’s a nice list of biblically condoned slaughtering:

    http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

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